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Do You Agree?; feminist Interivew
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 7 2016, 03:13 AM (4,265 Views)
~~Groosebumps~~	Apr 19 2016, 09:59 PM Post #91
Posts: 167 Group: Banned Member #13,041 Joined: April 19, 2016	GinyuTokusentai Apr 19 2016, 06:16 PM IllustriousIndigo Apr 19 2016, 11:00 AM I don't agree because feminists make up only a small percentage of the population, so by that logic, the vast majority of people would be labelled as sexist. Besides, being an anti-feminist or simply not identifying as a feminist =/= being a sexist. You can identify as a humanist, egalitarian, Men's Rights Advocate and support equality for all. "I don't agree because feminists make up only a small percentage of the population, so by that logic, the vast majority of people would be labelled as sexist." That's not the point. She isn't saying "you're not a feminist, therefore you are a sexist." She is saying it the other way around: "You're not a sexist, therefore you are a feminist." She is talking about how people fail to define feminism, they fail to understand it is about equality between genders. That means both men and women. Feminists fight for equality between men and women. Thus anti-feminists are people who don't equality between both sexes, and therefore anti-feminists actually ARE sexists, or fail to grasp what feminism is. Humanism has nothing to do with gender/sex so I don't even know why you mentioned that. Egalitarianism is for equality between ALL people so it goes beyond gender/sex. All egalitarians are feminists, not all feminists are egalitarians. Men's right advocates are people who advocate for men's rights. It's not a political movement. My point was that you can identify yourself with any group you like and still believe in equality. I consider myself an anti-feminist because I do not wish to assiociate with certain groups of people (to put it nicely) and I don't think they're really needed anymore in the first world. Bottom line is, feminists don't hold a monopoly on equality, so calling people who aren't feminists sexist, is incorrect.



+ Ginyu	Apr 20 2016, 05:48 AM Post #92
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	IllustriousIndigo Apr 19 2016, 09:59 PM GinyuTokusentai Apr 19 2016, 06:16 PM IllustriousIndigo Apr 19 2016, 11:00 AM I don't agree because feminists make up only a small percentage of the population, so by that logic, the vast majority of people would be labelled as sexist. Besides, being an anti-feminist or simply not identifying as a feminist =/= being a sexist. You can identify as a humanist, egalitarian, Men's Rights Advocate and support equality for all. "I don't agree because feminists make up only a small percentage of the population, so by that logic, the vast majority of people would be labelled as sexist." That's not the point. She isn't saying "you're not a feminist, therefore you are a sexist." She is saying it the other way around: "You're not a sexist, therefore you are a feminist." She is talking about how people fail to define feminism, they fail to understand it is about equality between genders. That means both men and women. Feminists fight for equality between men and women. Thus anti-feminists are people who don't equality between both sexes, and therefore anti-feminists actually ARE sexists, or fail to grasp what feminism is. Humanism has nothing to do with gender/sex so I don't even know why you mentioned that. Egalitarianism is for equality between ALL people so it goes beyond gender/sex. All egalitarians are feminists, not all feminists are egalitarians. Men's right advocates are people who advocate for men's rights. It's not a political movement. My point was that you can identify yourself with any group you like and still believe in equality. I consider myself an anti-feminist because I do not wish to assiociate with certain groups of people (to put it nicely) and I don't think they're really needed anymore in the first world. Bottom line is, feminists don't hold a monopoly on equality, so calling people who aren't feminists sexist, is incorrect. You're still not getting the point at all. Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? Because it seems to me like you have some major misconceptions about feminism. And maybe feminism doesn't have a monopoly kn equality, but they pretty much do on gender equality. You can consider yourself an anti-feminist, but you really aren't if you support gender equality, if you want genders to be equal you can't be anti-feminist. And if you don't want genders equal you're sexist.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Apr 20 2016, 06:08 AM Post #93
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Yeah, I can understand not wanting to label yourself a feminist. It's personal preference. I think it's silly, but I can't make decisions for everyone. But "anti-feminist?" You clearly just don't understand feminism or the fight for equality whatsoever.



~~Groosebumps~~	Apr 20 2016, 12:38 PM Post #94
Posts: 167 Group: Banned Member #13,041 Joined: April 19, 2016	Oh I do, I just think modern feminism is misguided and I don't wish to assiociate myself with those people. I still believe in equality, I'm simply not a feminist. An egalitarian if anything. Edited by Groosebumps, Apr 20 2016, 12:39 PM.



+ Ginyu	Apr 20 2016, 02:09 PM Post #95
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	IllustriousIndigo Apr 20 2016, 12:38 PM Oh I do, I just think modern feminism is misguided and I don't wish to assiociate myself with those people. I still believe in equality, I'm simply not a feminist. An egalitarian if anything. But what do you see as a modern feminist? The people that are made fun of on the internet for being only for women's rights and ignorant on tons of issues aren't feminists. You're view on what a feminist is, is not a correct view and is formed by YouTube, 9Gag, Reddit, etc. It's not the definition of a feminist. A modern feminist is no different from a classic feminist other than the period of time they live in.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Apr 20 2016, 02:23 PM Post #96
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Well, not necessarily. Modern feminists also fight for race issues, gay and Trans rights, disability rights, etc. It's more about equality in general now than it is about just gender equality.



* Yu Narukami	Apr 20 2016, 02:28 PM Post #97
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	ObsessiveFanGirl Apr 20 2016, 02:23 PM Well, not necessarily. Modern feminists also fight for race issues, gay and Trans rights, disability rights, etc. It's more about equality in general now than it is about just gender equality. Really? I thought that Feminism focused solely on gender issues. Surely it's not part of Feminism, just the fact that people who happen to be Feminists also fight for those different issues as well.



~~Groosebumps~~	Apr 20 2016, 03:14 PM Post #98
Posts: 167 Group: Banned Member #13,041 Joined: April 19, 2016	The feminists I dislike are the ones that'd classify as "Regressive" or an SJW. These overly sensitive people that complain about petty things and look for things to offend them. They also try to censor and silence anyone with a differing view, and that's why I dislike them. I'm not sure whether or not most feminists are like that. I encounter these folks more often that actual feminists. I'm sure others are different. I do enjoy the work of Christina Hoff Sommers. I don't think feminism is really needed in the first world because men and women are already equal, in my view. Sure, women face injustices, as do men, but I refuse to believe that women are oppressed by the evil white man. I think that's insulting to both genders. Men aren't oppressors and women aren't victims.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Apr 20 2016, 03:16 PM Post #99
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Nagito Komaeda Apr 20 2016, 02:28 PM ObsessiveFanGirl Apr 20 2016, 02:23 PM Well, not necessarily. Modern feminists also fight for race issues, gay and Trans rights, disability rights, etc. It's more about equality in general now than it is about just gender equality. Really? I thought that Feminism focused solely on gender issues. Surely it's not part of Feminism, just the fact that people who happen to be Feminists also fight for those different issues as well. Yes, feminism incorporates these other issues as well. It's transformed into something else entirely, which is why I fully support the movement. One of my minors was in gender studies, and we read tons of dense feminist theory in some of those classes. @Illustrious: Feminism fights for both men and women; therefore, your statement and opinion are both invalid. That's rude to say, I know, but it's true.



~~Groosebumps~~	Apr 20 2016, 03:19 PM Post #100
Posts: 167 Group: Banned Member #13,041 Joined: April 19, 2016	ObsessiveFanGirl Apr 20 2016, 03:16 PM Nagito Komaeda Apr 20 2016, 02:28 PM ObsessiveFanGirl Apr 20 2016, 02:23 PM Well, not necessarily. Modern feminists also fight for race issues, gay and Trans rights, disability rights, etc. It's more about equality in general now than it is about just gender equality. Really? I thought that Feminism focused solely on gender issues. Surely it's not part of Feminism, just the fact that people who happen to be Feminists also fight for those different issues as well. Yes, feminism incorporates these other issues as well. It's transformed into something else entirely, which is why I fully support the movement. One of my minors was in gender studies, and we read tons of dense feminist theory in some of those classes. @Illustrious: Feminism fights for both men and women; therefore, your statement and opinion are both invalid. That's rude to say, I know, but it's true. I don't think I've actually seen many feminists talk about men's issues, in my experience. That's why the Men's rights movement exists, after all. And no, my opinion isn't invalid. I think that's incredibly insulting. My opinion(s) are based on my experiences, and my experience with feminism has been more negative than positive.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Apr 20 2016, 03:46 PM Post #101
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	It sounds to me like your "experience" with feminism has been mostly online, which is rampant with feminazis. It's the same as a person hating atheism because their only experience with it was the atheism subreddit.



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